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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q.  I am a widow.  What are my vocational options? A.  If you are a Roman Catholic widow, you are called to live the universal call to holiness.  It may be that you have been given a call within a call and that you might be called to marriage, to the religious life, to a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Q.  I am a widow.  What are my vocational options?</strong><br />
A.  If you are a Roman Catholic widow, you are called to live the universal call to holiness.  It may be that you have been given a call within a call and that you might be called to marriage, to the religious life, to a society of apostolic life, to become a member of a secular institute, or perhaps to privately dedicate your life to Christ through a life-long private vow of chastity.  Of course, it is essential for good discernment that a widow have<br />
gone through a sufficient grieving and adjustment period before seriously contemplating possibly taking on a new life-long commitment.</p>
<p>NB.  Eastern Catholic widows have the additional possibility of entering the consecrated state as a consecrated widow should they be admitted to this by their local hierarch.</p>
<p>(c) 2009 by Therese Ivers, JCL</p>
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		<title>St. Teresa of the Andes &amp; Chapel Rats</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[by Therese Ivers, JCL One day, as I was helping out a friend in the sacristy, she mentioned something about &#8220;the chapel rats&#8221;.  My friend was not referring to rats scurrying about &#8211; for as far as I know, there were none in the building.  Rather, she was talking about those who spend practically all [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: right;">by Therese Ivers, JCL</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">One day, as I was helping out a friend in the sacristy, she mentioned something about &#8220;the chapel rats&#8221;.  My friend was not referring to rats scurrying about &#8211; for as far as I know, there were none in the building.  Rather, she was talking about those who spend practically all their time in the chapel, every day, in the mistaken notion that it is more holy to spend one&#8217;s life in the chapel or one one&#8217;s knees rather than to lead a balanced lifestyle.  This tends to be a common error in those discerning their vocations.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">People who are single who are discerning their vocations should pray, yes.  Prayer is  very good thing.  But to spend 4, 5 hours a day in the church, working at a job, and then spending another hour or two on spiritual reading and research on communities or charisms each day is usually unwise.  Why?  Because the laity have a special mission in the world.  They should participate in a prudent manner in the civic, social, family, and spiritual spheres.  Volunteering, political activism (even just folding envelopes), building family and social ties, getting enough exercise, healthy meals, etc. are proper activities for those who are free from community or spousal ties. These should all have a slot on a single person&#8217;s calendar.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The role of the laity is to be beacons of light in the world.  Lay persons, especially singles, whether they are minors or whether they are working adults, should live out their state in life according to their circumstances.  In certain areas, it may be too dangerous for a young, single woman to minister directly to the homeless.  But surely she can help someone learn to read or volunteer for a day to bring meals to a family in need or do some work of corporal or spiritual work of charity.  A man might consider helping out single mothers with repairs around the house (observing all proprieties) or doing a spiritual or corporal work of mercy on a regular basis or as they are called for.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The single person should not forget that he/she is a human being.  Having appropriate hobbies, growing in knowledge, interacting with other people and families, participating in cultural enrichment activities, etc. is an integral part of developing one&#8217;s humanity.   Of course, a person might object, &#8220;I&#8217;m discerning a vocation!  I&#8217;m in a different situation than other singles.  I need to be holy and learn what God is calling me to.  It&#8217;s a waste of time to be normal and participate in all these &#8216;worldly&#8217; activities!&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Again, it is extremely important that the single person pray, do a daily examination of conscience, go to Mass frequently, etc.  However, the Church reminds us that the laity have a mission in the world.  If you don&#8217;t know where you are being called whether by vow, ordination, or consecration, the holy thing and proper thing to do is to live your state in life well and fully.  Even if you know you&#8217;re being called to the ordained life or consecrated life or marriage, for now you are still single and lay!</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Is it too &#8220;worldly&#8221; to be active in politics, volunteerism, etc.?   Will it make a person less &#8220;holy&#8221;?  Will it distract me from God?  The answer to this question is that if these activities are done well, prudently, and in accordance with one&#8217;s path as discerned in the concrete circumstances of life, they should help the person to grow in holiness, their humanity, and happiness.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">To my mind, <a onmouseover="window.status='http://www.ignatius.com';return true;" onmouseout="window.status=' ';return true;" href="http://www.jdoqocy.com/6a106biroiq58AC9A665768D9DEB?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ignatius.com%2FViewProduct.aspx%3FSID%3D1%26Product_ID%3D3646&amp;cjsku=3646" target="_blank">St. Teresa of the Andes</a><img src="http://www.awltovhc.com/eh102fz2rxvGJLNKLHHGIHJOKOPM" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" /> is a perfect &#8220;modern&#8221; example of how holiness can be found in every day life.  Most of St. Teresa&#8217;s life was lived as a lay person.  She was great at sports, loved airplanes, went horseback riding, went to the opera, played the piano, took care of a poor orphan, lived a social life&#8230;  and yet, she was extremely holy!  It was only the last 11 months of her life that she became a nun.  She agonized over her discernment &#8211; like so many people do today.  She didn&#8217;t know which order she was called to.  But, while she was discerning and growing up, she lived a normal lifestyle for the people in her family situation.  Yes, she prayed, prayed intensely, but she also partied.  She was a lay woman, and she was very holy.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">It is because I think St. Teresa of the Andes is an attractive, easy to relate to saint, that I spent quite a bit of time contacting people in Chile, EWTN, and other places to see how the TV series on her life could be republished on VHS or DVD a couple years ago.  This series is one of my favorite movies because it shows how a person can be normal and holy and that a holy person is surrounded by the same problems everyone else is.  To my great delight, I just discovered that Ignatius Press has released the series in DVD format. If you wish to help support the work of this website, you can order this set below by clicking on the picture:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a onmouseover="window.status='http://www.ignatius.com';return true;" onmouseout="window.status=' ';return true;" href="http://www.tkqlhce.com/sc65cy63y5LOQSPQMMLNMOTPTUR?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ignatius.com%2FViewProduct.aspx%3FSID%3D1%26Product_ID%3D3646&amp;cjsku=3646" target="_blank"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://www.ignatius.com/images/products/stan-m.jpg" border="0" alt="St. Teresa of the Andes" /></a><br />
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<p style="text-align: left;">(c) 2009 by Therese Ivers, JCL.</p>
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		<title>College Education Part II- Choosing A College When Discerning</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[by Therese Ivers, JCL Dan would like to become a priest.  He is a high school senior and believes that he has a vocation to the diocesan priesthood.  Mary Ellen is also a senior in high school and is thinking about joining a cloistered order.  Should she go to college, and if so, where?  The [...]]]></description>
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<p>Dan would like to become a priest.  He is a high school senior and believes that he has a vocation to the diocesan priesthood.  Mary Ellen is also a senior in high school and is thinking about joining a cloistered order.  Should she go to college, and if so, where?  The decision of whether to go to college is one of the more important decisions that many discerners must make on their vocational journey.  For those of you agonizing over this decision, I would like to offer some tips which may help.</p>
<p>Tip #1 Know Your Ultimate Goal</p>
<p>What do you want to achieve with your education?  Do you know the difference between vocational training and education which enriches the whole person?  If you don&#8217;t, you may want to check out <a href="http://doihaveavocation.com/recommends/BlueBook">this document</a> which I believe <span style="text-decoration: underline;">everyone </span>who is thinking of investing tens of thousands of dollars and years of their life in college should sit down and read and understand.</p>
<p>Tip #2 Know Your Pocketbook</p>
<p>If you are considering joining religious life, you should be aware of the fact that religious orders cannot accept candidates who are burdened with debt.  Today people can graduate with tens of thousands of dollars in student loans.  This can delay entrance for 5, 10, 15, 20 years.  In today&#8217;s economy, when there is a high unemployment rate, paying off such loans in a timely manner is not always possible.</p>
<p>If the main goal is to get a college education in a particular field to fulfill entrance requirements for a religious order or the degree needed before entering major seminary, then consider finding the cheapest BA or BS degree program, which may include several semesters of junior or community college.  Obviously, you can hunt down grants, scholarships, etc.  Even if you don&#8217;t plan on majoring in math, do some figure crunching.</p>
<p>Know your numbers. Be creative.  For example, one private Catholic college has a policy whereby the most a student would ever need to <span style="text-decoration: underline;">borrow </span>is the maximum allowed by the Stafford loans (about $3,500 &#8211; $5,500 each year) and has a generous financial aid package.  Even though the listed tuition is high, your debt would be very low upon graduation.  You might even decide to study in Europe.  Tuition for a Bachelor&#8217;s degree program student at the Angelicum, my own alma mater, is only €1320 for the whole year of 2009/2010.</p>
<p>Tip #3 Is A College&#8217;s Catholic Identity Important?</p>
<p>Know yourself.  Many students who go to state colleges end up being practicing Catholics.  Many students who go to expensive &#8220;Catholic&#8221; colleges end up losing their faith.  Who are you, what do you stand for, and are you able to live in a mature, adult fashion without needing peer pressure to practice your faith?  Maybe it&#8217;s important to you to find more potential Catholic dates at college.   Whatever your goals may be, these are merely a sample of the questions you should ask yourself.  And in case you&#8217;re wondering, unless you need the philosophical/theological pre-reqs for major seminary or specific degrees for particular apostolates, in most cases, your undergraduate degree is what&#8217;s important, not where you got it.</p>
<p>Those are the tips for today.  Enjoy!</p>
<p>(c) 2009 by Therese Ivers</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[by Therese Ivers, JCL In one of the states of the US that I grew up in, there is a convent.  In that convent are women dressed in habits.  They make vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience&#8230; and they live austerely.  They claim to belong to an ancient and revered Order.  But, they are not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: right;">by Therese Ivers, JCL</p>
<p>In one of the states of the US that I grew up in, there is a convent.  In that convent are women dressed in habits.  They make vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience&#8230; and they live austerely.  They claim to belong to an ancient and revered Order.  But, they are not nuns, and they are not sisters.  As a matter of fact, they are lay women who masquerade as Roman Catholic religious.  In a word, they are frauds.</p>
<p>There is an international group that passes themselves off as a budding religious community.  Married individuals may join this so-called religious community.  People who are married and think they need to somehow become religious in order to become holy and wear a habit are often referred to join this group.  The website of this group has what purports to be &#8220;encouragement&#8221; from the Vatican.  The way this group is set up, <span id="more-160"></span>there&#8217;s not a chance that it will ever get canonical approval from the Church, and I suspect that the words they quote from the Vatican were meant in the same spirit as ones of encouragement I got in a canned letter from the Vatican in 1993 to my own group (a social club).  And yet, people, longing to become religious, flock to this group and somehow think it will obtain recognition from the Church in the future despite grave irregularities.</p>
<p>An individual founded an <a href="http://krestaintheafternoon.blogspot.com/2009/04/sign-and-counter-sign.html">international organization with vows and promises structured to further his ambitions </a>and which helped shelter him from consequences from much of his criminal activities.  It was doing so much apparent good in the Catholic Church that people such as myself were <em>threatened </em>when we voiced our conviction that this organization <a href="http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_articles/vere_peter_whatcanonlawyerslookfor_0402.htm">exhibited most of the characteristics of a dangerous cult</a> and violated the rights of potentially thousands or tens of thousands of souls.  One tactic this organization is said to have used is violating the consciences of its members and mixing up internal and external forum governance.  Because abuse and<a href="http://www.debramurphy.com/2009/02/maciel-etc-part-7-conscience-in-canon-law-and-the-new-movements/"> manipulation of conscience</a> is by far one of the very worst abuses of the human person, I wrote <a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback_book/canonical_protection_against_unwarranted_intrusion_into_the_conscience/6427553">my thesis on that subject </a>to help people discerning vocations as it is still a very serious problem to this day in a certain percentage of seminaries, religious communities, and other groups (for an example of alleged vocational manipulation of conscience wherein God is used as a tool, see this <a href="http://catholiclight.stblogs.org/archives/2009/04/the-legion-regn.html">article in reference to the commonly reported &#8220;Lost vocation, sure damnation&#8221; phrase used to manipulate vocations</a>).</p>
<p>What&#8217;s common about all of these organizations (and there&#8217;s quite a few more out there)?  A blatant disregard for good theology, basic canon law, and ecclesiastical grounding.</p>
<p>There are groups out today and in the past that may have had a Cardinal, an alleged seer, or even a Pope preside at a profession or ordination, but that doesn&#8217;t mean a group isn&#8217;t a cult or that its leadership or members won&#8217;t and can&#8217;t harm others.  Often, it is precisely those communities or movements which look like they are hard core Catholics which do the most damage to people&#8217;s souls if under the control of frauds, manipulators, and/or malcontents who look like sheep on the outside but are wolves on the inside.</p>
<p>One reason this website exists is so that people are helped with the tools they need to make informed vocational decisions.  Sometimes it is necessary to point out the less than ideal side of human nature.  At times, the best way of doing that is by calling attention to real live examples of problems which occur when canon law, civil law, or even just plain and simple common sense isn&#8217;t followed.</p>
<p>In that spirit, then, I will bring to your attention an article written about some women who made private promises of poverty, chastity, obedience, and secrecy&#8230; but who may have put themselves in a very vulnerable position for doing so.  Excerpts from this article is taken from ReGAIN network&#8217;s website at <a href="http://regainnetwork.org/article.php?a=47245744">http://regainnetwork.org/article.php?a=47245744</a> and is in blue while my comments are in black.  I do not necessarily agree with the opinions  or alleged facts expressed in this article.  But, it does report what has been informally and formally alleged about Regnum Christi by large numbers of ex-members.  What is factual is that Regnum Christi is a &#8220;lay movement&#8221;, and its canonical standing in the Church is not one that constitutes its members in the consecrated state, and my comments are based on that fact.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Grasping the Brass Ring – Reflections on the Consecrated Life in RC<br />
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By Giselle Sainte Marie</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Contact: gisellestemarie@yahoo.com</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Picture a beautiful young woman confronting her parents. She is modestly dressed, fresh of face and pure of heart, yet with firmness in her voice. “I love you both but you cannot stand between me and my vocation.” She has an unseen army at her back – great saints who had to defy families who wanted them to remain in the secular world, to carry on the family name or business, or to marry for questionable motives. Saint Clare is a model – the single-minded woman who fled to Assisi to have her beautiful hair shorn and to embrace the poverty of her friend Francis. This woman has also heard tales of Saint Thomas Aquinas whose Dominican companions kidnapped him out of his own home where he had been imprisoned by his family who didn’t understand his vocation. She also has stalwart women on her side – all those scattered throughout the world who have already undertaken their private promises to embrace Christ forever as their Spouse, and who are even now praying for her strength and perseverance in this confrontation.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Now she is confronted with these two beloved but misguided souls whose priorities do not match her own. They speak of education, degrees, work experience, and her youth – as though she hasn’t prayed long and hard over this decision! How could they know of the privilege of being called from all eternity to be a bride of Jesus Christ? How could they know how many other souls depended on her generosity right now? How could they speak of such mundane details when she had lived shoulder to shoulder with the most vibrant, enthusiastic, and joyful women she has ever met?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">This scenario has been endured by many perplexed families in countless homes over the last ten years&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">From the parents’ point of view, Regnum Christi – through its schools, youth groups, retreats, and summer camps – looked like just the organization to back up everything that had been fostered within the family. The </span><strong><span style="color: #000000;">[so-called]</span></strong> <span style="color: #0000ff;"> consecrated women who had taken charge of the girls&#8217; clubs were zealous and focused.  The Legionary brothers and priests had taken such a fraternal interest in the boys and the state of their souls.  Who could doubt that the time spent in Legion-sponsored activities was anything but helpful in learning to live virtue and imitate Christ Himself?&#8230;</span><strong><span style="color: #000000;"> </span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">&#8230;Trapped by Closed Arguments<br />
Joining the movement – incorporation – commits all members to daily, weekly, and monthly obligations such as prayers, meetings, and retreats. Each is an established devotion with many Catholics anyway so the transition to life in Regnum Christi is not difficult, although the degree of activity accelerates pretty quickly. With the incorporation, she is assured that, by her very presence, she is fulfilling God’s for herself and that the closer she integrates her life with the methodology of the Movement, the more closely she will be clinging to His will. That is the first catch, which confuses the members; it is a cyclical yet unspoken argument: “You are here, so God must want you here. Live this life well and you will assure your salvation.”  <span style="color: #000000;"><strong> [A person in formation <span style="text-decoration: underline;">in any community </span>should be aware that ongoing discernment is necessary and that just because he/she is "in" the formation program does not necessarily guarantee a divine call.]</strong></span><br />
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The demands made on members are simply actions reflecting their baptismal promises. The prayers, apostolates, and recruitment methods are all centered on Regnum Christi organizations. This makes sense given the members commitment to this group, but this world also closes in on itself and becomes all-absorbing. The schools, the camps, the retreat centers, and the youth groups all need tremendous inputs of time and money, so members are quickly put to work according to their talents and availability. Each of these endeavors has as its given goal of spreading Gospel values and love of Christ so the mission cannot be disputed. Also, though, since the methodology is God’s gift to the Church and is blessed, the way to run these apostolates also cannot be disputed. Here we have a second closed argument for Regnum Christi: “The end is good because it is Christ; the means are blessed because it is of God – who are you to argue with either?”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The Movement has now stepped in as broker between the soul and God since it lays out the devotions and norms, is appointed safeguard of one’s baptismal promises, and becomes guardian of the way the member serves the Church since it directs the apostolic activities of its members. As it is difficult for an adult member to see the progression of control and pressure on the member, it is nearly impossible for the young and impressionable women to understand what they are undertaking by their association with Regnum Christi.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">In the same way that parents take care to oversee large expenditures of their young adult children, they want to be near as life-altering decisions are made. This is what families are for – the overlapping generations allow wisdom to trickle down from the elders as new life assures fresh interest to the aging. The give and take between family members is under girded by love for one another and an active faith assures that action is grounded in truth.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">How sad – and contrary to God’s plan for families – when such decisions about vocations are made without consulting the parents, the primary educators of these girls, and honest reservations are interpreted as deliberate obstacles to God’s plan. </span> <strong><span style="color: #000000;">[The flip side is that while, in this case, families had grounds to object to Regnum Christi, some families generally oppose genuine vocations and may prove a hinderance to those with a vocation.]</span></strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Fatherly Oversight Missing<br />
It is important to understand Regnum Christi’s explanation for its “consecrated” life. The women who choose this life are not “religious,” since no vows have been made. Vows are publicly made to a bishop</span> <strong><span style="color: #000000;">[the author is technically incorrect here...  vows are made to God, not the bishop, and public ones are made through the bishop or comptent authority in the Church...]</span></strong>, <span style="color: #0000ff;">which give the soul a privileged place in the structure of the Church, canonically speaking. The consecrated member of Regnum Christi has made a set of private promises to a Legionary superior</span> <strong><span style="color: #000000;">[again, so-called superior, because it is purely a private arrangement and not sanctioned or authorized by the Church to receive vows in her name]</span></strong>, <span style="color: #0000ff;">which means that she is still a layman in the Church, with no canonical protections for the life of poverty, chastity, and obedience she is undertaking. It has been made clear to her through her training, though, that private promises are every bit as binding before God as public vows and that, despite their canonical distinction, God takes them (and her) just as seriously.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The Legion’s explanation for such a distinction has been that this Movement was born under persecution (the Cristero War in Mexico in the early 20th century) and the ability of the consecrated members to live as laymen is an important protection for them should the Church return to the “catacombs.” While this may or may not happen in the future, it leaves the women tremendously vulnerable in a system that gives them no recourse for their difficulties. Each woman’s understanding of her vocation is that Christ has called her to Himself for spousal love but it is best if their relationship is maintained “under the radar,” so to speak. Wrapped up in the privilege of being so called, it would seem petty of her to demand protection for her status. God, she would think most certainly, will provide </span><strong><span style="color: #000000;">[does something like "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" sound familiar?]</span></strong>.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Thus, consider that the parents are not a part of the decision-making process that leads to</span> <strong><span style="color: #000000;">[the so-called] </span></strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">consecration: the fathers do not give their daughters to the Church in a formal way as has been historically a part of Religious professions (complete with wedding dress and bestowal of dowry gift), until recently the parents were not even invited to the consecration ceremonies (this change came about because of so much bad feeling by parents), and even parental permission is inconsequential to the acceptance of the young woman. Compounding this troubling set-up, there is no Episcopal oversight in the process; neither the young woman’s bishop from her home diocese nor the resident bishop where the consecration</span><strong><span style="color: #000000;">[dedication]</span></strong><span style="color: #0000ff;"> is made knows of the consecration of the soul in his care. Interestingly enough, for the traditional outlook and orthodox sensibilities that the Legion is known for, they are party to a remarkably modern trend in family life – the independence of youth, the rejection of family wisdom for choosing a state in life, and in a manner of speaking, “spiritual elopement” – running away on the sly to embrace a spouse without witnesses. We will find, though, that even “elopement” as a definition may be too generous a term&#8230;</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">&#8230;Religious vows mirror wedding vows, with witnesses, notification of the appropriate authorities, <span style="color: #000000;"><strong>[actually the appropriate authorities in religious institutes receive vows if and only if they approve them, and are not merely "notified"] </strong></span>and prior preparation of the candidates for the embrace of Christ as lifelong Spouse. Historically, the religious orders have demanded years of preparation with interim temporary vows paving the way for the final vows at the end. If the candidate leaves before her final vows, she or others have discerned that she is not called to the religious life and she goes knowing she was not yet a bride of Christ, no matter how many years were dedicated to the process.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">In Regnum Christi, the process is somewhat reversed, with the</span> <strong><span style="color: #000000;">[morally but privately]</span></strong> <span style="color: #0000ff;">binding consecration </span><strong><span style="color: #000000;">[dedication]</span></strong> <span style="color: #0000ff;">to spousal love of Christ undertaken after only weeks or months of preparation. This formation would consist of an academic explanation of consecration combined with two key elements: an opportunity to see the joy and enthusiasm of others living the life, and a presentation of the highly romanticized life of the founder, complete with tales of heroism, intrigue, persecution, and the weight of the New Evangelization squarely on his long-suffering shoulders. The accumulated effect on young impressionable girls is overwhelming. The program is front-loaded with her private promises of poverty, chastity, and obedience (and a fourth secret promise  added that the candidates probably were unprepared for</span><strong><span style="color: #000000;"> [and which Pope Benedict XVI <a href="http://www.americanpapist.com/2007/12/new-report-offers-confirmation-of-pope.html">wisely dispensed</a> for their male counterparts]</span></strong>); <span style="color: #0000ff;">and then the women undertake a study of the evangelical counsels that now pertain to them – in order to better understand what they have already undertaken.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Too much anecdotal evidence exists which points to an imprudent push to consecrate girls without adequate preparation or authentic discernment. The constant euphoria in consecrated houses – combined with an urgency to increase their numbers, zealousness to outdo one another in generosity, and clinging to the Methodology as the only path to God – all lead one to see that the younger members are caught up in “crushes on Christ” rather than mature bonds of spousal union. Young women have willingly accepted that others “see” their vocation, even if they are unsure. They in turn may later influence others to embrace</span><strong><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"> </span>[that is, have them make vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience, obeying other lay and not consecrated women with no canonical safeguards]</span><span style="color: #000000;"> [what they think is ]</span></strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">consecrated life</span> <strong><span style="color: #000000;">[but is actually privately dedicated lay life with a religious life-like structure]</span></strong> <span style="color: #0000ff;">in order to justify their own choice and this pressure on the candidate, combined with spiritual direction that leads many to consecrate</span> <strong><span style="color: #000000;">[dedicate, not consecrate] </span></strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">themselves as an added witness to growing ranks, makes true discernment difficult to impossible&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Are They Really Brides of Christ?</span><br />
<span style="color: #0000ff;">There is no doubt that these consecrated women have surrendered themselves to God in a private and complete way. They live complete poverty, chastity, and obedience with an understanding that they have taken Jesus Christ as Spouse. They fully intend to live this life until death – and yet many leave after a few years, torn with guilt, confusion, and embroiled in a monumental spiritual crisis. Just as the Church concerns herself with the status of divorced Catholics, we must take the time to consider whether these women were actually “married,” or were merely living as “spiritual concubines.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The state provides certain protections to its citizens through laws and statutes, and the Church protects her members likewise through canon law. Those who have publicly entered Religious life have unique canonical protections that the laity neither has nor needs, since the laity have retained their rights to own property and engage in contracts. When men or women attempt lives of poverty and obedience to Church hierarchy, canonical norms usually protect them and their unique status in the Church. </span> <strong><span style="color: #000000;">The so-called</span></strong><span style="color: #0000ff;"> Consecrated women do not have the canonical protections that Religious have, and yet their promises obligate them to that same way of life. Their conscience alone forbids them from making demands in return for the unpaid hours, their total gift of self. If promises to them by their superiors are broken or “understandings” become “misunderstandings,” there is no recourse because their promise was completely “in-house” and private.* By their generous nature and desire to annihilate their own preferences, these women are prime targets for abuse should their</span> <strong><span style="color: #000000;">[non canonical] </span></strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">superiors not have the highest ethical standards.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Those familiar with the grounds for annulment recognize in the inadequate formation process grounds for assuming that no true union took place. Those who have daughters become consecrated</span><span style="color: #000000;"> <strong>[dedicated as they are not consecrated]</strong></span> a<span style="color: #0000ff;">gainst their parents’ wishes may recognize similarities to wayward daughters of another type, raising red flags about their maturity in light of this decision:</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">1 “Jesus wants me and I am special to Him.”<br />
2 “You just don’t understand.”<br />
3 “I am old enough to do this and don’t need your permission.&#8221;&#8230; </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The consecrated woman’s confusion about this group is compounded by its rate of growth. Another circular argument that is given to her is that it is clear that Regnum Christi is especially blessed by God because of its staggering growth in numbers. Surrounded by women who have been spiritually manipulated into premature promises, and then sent out to recruit others in the same way, she is trapped. If she is less than zealous in recruiting numbers to the consecrated life, she is questioning the methodology that recruited her, and if she recruits heavily, she is “stacking the deck” in God’s “blessings” by filling the houses with vocations as tenuous as her own</span> <strong><span style="color: #000000;">[even human activities can be "blessed" with numbers.  Look at the socialist and communist movements that had fanatic followers and recruiters]</span></strong>.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Every endeavor in which her superiors allow her to participate has as its ultimate goal to increase the Regnum Christi fold: World Youth Days, visiting university campuses, teaching CCD programs, assisting at marriage retreats, attending international fora where policies are hammered out, establishing youth groups, even sharing dinner with local families when invited. There is no wonder that, despite the many avenues for sharing Christ and spreading the Gospel, each event has a recruiting dimension. Reticence in sharing the Movement would be unheard of to a consecrated member who knows that for efficacy and timeliness, Regnum Christi is the easiest way to build the Kingdom. Thus increasing numbers – the top priority for all members – is twisted into legitimacy, which in turn helps to increase the numbers (and confusion!) of the consecrated</span><strong><span style="color: #000000;"> [dedicated women].</span></strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">What if She Leaves?<br />
Many women leave, although their souls are in turmoil and their reentry into normal life is fraught with confusion. Good spiritual direction after leaving allows them to understand that the consecration that they undertook carries only as much weight as any consecration that any Catholic makes – i.e. to the Sacred Heart, to the Immaculate Heart, to live as a secular Franciscan, or to live more closely one’s baptismal commitments </span><strong>[</strong><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>t</strong><strong>his is incorrect.  The women have made private vows/promises which if they are not void by virtue of their being made with ignorance and lack of due preparation, ought to be dispensed, and will be dispensed quite easily by their pastor or bishop.  This article <a href="http://catholiclight.stblogs.org/archives/2009/04/the-legion-regn.html">here</a> is helpful for those in this predicament.].</strong></span> <span style="color: #0000ff;">As far as the best theologians can discern, there was no spousal union of the nature of a Religious or consecrated virgin who makes quiet vows in the presence of her bishop <strong><span style="color: #000000;">[The consecrated virgin of canon 604 <span style="text-decoration: underline;">does NOT make quiet vows</span> in the presence of her bishop.   She is consecrated publicly by the bishop, and by virtue of that consecration is made a "sacred person" and a spouse of Christ.  Again, this is like Holy Orders which  is done through the ministry of the Bishop not through proffering one's vows.]</span></strong> . As harsh or disrespectful as it may seem, living this union with Christ without canonical recognition is much like living in a common-law marriage without the protection of the state. We are all called to give our hearts to Christ and, during this phase of her life, Christ had her total attention – but it was never properly consummated. Nothing is wasted, nothing is lost, but she is free to move on, to marry, or to join another community.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">It should be understood by the families and loved ones of the consecrated members that, although many leave, others may be crippled both in their ability to leave as well as after leaving. Cult experts have commented elsewhere on the frightening elements of life in Regnum Christi that come perilously close to cult-like attributes. Knowing full-well that God keeps His word and expects us to as well, coupled with the ominous view that “God saw you from all eternity as Regnum Christi,” it is virtually impossible to walk away without fears for one’s salvation. Several things must be kept in mind&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">3. As for the promises, the same rules that govern marriage tribunals should govern the consciences of the women who change their minds about consecration. They can recognize that the promises were undertaken without proper formation, without adequate consent, and while lacking sufficient maturity to make them binding.  <strong><span style="color: #000000;">[And, therefore, like those challenging their status in the marriage tribunal, these so-called consecrated women should get a dispensation from their pastor or bishop from their private vows since those vows do morally bind an individual to celibacy unless dispensed by the proper authority (which is easier than having them declared null).]</span></strong><br />
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">For examples of such misunderstandings, ample evidence exists that promises of education and degrees are often not fulfilled. Likewise, not all consecrated members find that the work they are offered measures up to their skills and formation. Family background also seems to have a bearing on certain assignments and opportunities for positions of authority, which is very distracting to the mission.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="color: #000000;">The above excerpts from the lengthy but interesting article is an indication of why canonists take &#8220;hair splitting&#8221; definitions seriously and why it pays to do one&#8217;s due diligence in vocational discernment.  Lives- real people with real souls &#8211; are affected. </span><br />
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: right;" align="right">By Therese Ivers</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">One of the most frequent topics people discerning their vocation have several questions about is on vows and promises.<span> </span>As most people enter their vocation by means of a vow or vows, this topic is of great importance.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">To begin with, all Catholics by virtue of their baptismal promises, have the obligation of rejecting sin, refusing to be mastered by sin, rejecting satan, and living out the teachings of the Catholic Church.<span> </span>All Catholics by virtue of their baptism, are called to strive for holiness in a manner consistent with their state in life.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Some people, perhaps the majority of people, are called to live out the general call or vocation to holiness by embracing a specific way of life through means of vow/promise, ordination, or consecration.<span> </span>This can be described as following a “call within the call”, or as more commonly called, following a “vocation”.<span> </span>It is this sense of a call to a specific way of life that the word “vocation” will be used in this article.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Vocations Entered by Public Vow(s)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Marriage and religious life are entered by means of public vow(s).<span> </span>In marriage, each of the (baptized) couple are the ministers of the sacrament of matrimony and by exchanging vows, enter a lifelong relationship as spouses and become “two in one flesh”.<span> </span>Religious profess vows to God according to their constitutions/statutes which specify how the evangelical counsels of poverty, chastity, and obedience are to be led.<span> </span>Diocesan hermits have the option of entering their state by vowing the three evangelical counsels by public vow, or they may choose to make public promises.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Vocation Entered by Public Promise(s)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Diocesan hermits have the option of professing public promises rather than public promises.<span> </span>They promise by means of a promise or sacred bond to follow the evangelical counsels of poverty, chastity, and obedience according to their rule of life.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Vocation Entered by Semi-Public Vow(s)/Promises</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Members of secular institutes vow or promise the three evangelical counsels by means of semi-public vows.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Vocation Entered by Ordination in Conjunction with Public Promises</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">During the Rite of Ordination, those entering Orders promise obedience, and some promise celibacy.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Some Common Elements of Public and Semi-Public Vows and Promises:</p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Discernment is two-sided.<span> </span>In marriage, it is the other individual      who discerns whether to accept marriage vows.<span> </span>It is the Church that discerns through      the bishop &#8211; or legitimate authority in the different forms of consecrated      life or secular institute &#8211; whether to accept vows/promises in the name of      God and His Church.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Public/semi-public vows and promises either      constitute a person into a formal vocation recognized in the Church, or are      an important element of that way of life (such as in holy orders).<span> </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">New public obligations and rights are assumed by the      person making the vows/promises which flow from the nature of the vocation      being entered into.<span> </span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Private Vows and Promises</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">What is a private vow or promise?<span> </span>The Catechism of the Catholic Church states the following about vows:</p>
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<p style="margin: 5pt 0.5in; text-align: justify;"><span>In many circumstances, the Christian is called to make promises to God. Baptism and Confirmation, Matrimony and Holy Orders always entail promises. Out of personal devotion, the Christian may also promise to God this action, that prayer, this alms-giving, that pilgrimage, and so forth. Fidelity to promises made to God is a sign of the respect owed to the divine majesty and of love for a faithful God. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0.5in; text-align: justify;"><span>&#8220;A <em>vow </em>is a deliberate and free promise made to God concerning a possible and better good which must be fulfilled by reason of the virtue of religion,&#8221; A vow is an act of <em>devotion </em>in which the Christian dedicates himself to God or promises him some good work. By fulfilling his vows he renders to God what has been promised and consecrated to Him. The <em>Acts of the Apostles</em> shows us St. Paul concerned to fulfill the vows he had made. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0.5in; text-align: justify;"><span>The Church recognizes an exemplary value in the vows to practice the <em>evangelical counsels</em>:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0.5in 0.0001pt 1in; text-align: justify;"><span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Mother Church rejoices that she has within herself many men and women who pursue the Savior&#8217;s self-emptying more closely and show it forth more clearly, by undertaking poverty with the freedom of the children of God, and renouncing their own will: they submit themselves to man for the sake of God, thus going beyond what is of precept in the matter of perfection, so as to conform themselves more fully to the obedient Christ.<sup>24</sup> </span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 5pt 0.5in; text-align: justify;"><span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">The Church can, in certain cases and for proportionate reasons, dispense from vows and promises<sup>.</sup></span> </span><span> </span>(CCC #2101-2103)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Private vows may be made to God, then, for a “possible” and “better” good, according to the Catechism.<span> </span>What is “possible” in this context?<span> </span>Possible has several meanings.<span> </span>One is that a person must be free to make the promise/vow.<span> </span>A married person is not free to vow “chastity” (as the vow of celibacy and continence is called) because the right to the procreative powers of his/her body belongs to his/her spouse.<span> </span>One must be the right age to make a binding vow/promise (the minimum/maximum age will differ according to the nature of the vow/promise).<span> </span>The person must have an understanding of what is being promised and have sufficient deliberation.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">The “better” good can encompass a lot of things.<span> </span>A person can promise to fast.<span> </span>This is a “better” good only if it is both subjectively and objectively better for the person making the vow.<span> </span>So, objectively, fasting is a good thing.<span> </span>Subjectively, it can be bad or good depending on the person and his/her circumstances.<span> </span>A person with hypoglycemia probably should never do a strict fast or vow one because it is “bad” for their health.<span> </span>The reason the Pharisee’s fasting and almsgiving talked about in the Gospel could be bad is the motivation was for show and human praise rather than the glorification of God.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Now, should a person make private vows or promises of poverty, chastity, and obedience if they do not feel called to life as a religious, member of a secular institute, or diocesan hermit?<span> </span>That is a million dollar question, and for it, there is no pat answer.<span> </span>In discerning whether to assume private vows or promises with such life changing implications, a person should give the matter the serious thought, understanding, and deliberation appropriate for taking such an action.<span> </span>Some things which should be considered are:</p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">A person should undertake the responsibilities      pledged by vow or promise only if they are truly called to do so by      God.<span> </span>One of the advantages of      pursuing public vow(s)/promise(s) is that the Church herself through the      ministry of others (bishop, community, potential spouse) discerns whether      a person may be called to a particular way of life.<span> </span>The process of discernment is usually      lengthy so that the individual can learn about the rights and      responsibilities of the life he/she wishes to enter by vow and so that the      bishop, person, or community can determine if they are a good fit.<span> </span>In other words, a lot more formation in      the evangelical counsels is available to those who pursue canonically      recognized vocations.</li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-align: justify;">By the same token, discerning whether to pursue lifelong commitments made by private vows/promises can be more difficult because there isn’t that in built process of formation and guidance given to people thinking of canonically recognized vocations.<span> </span><span> </span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">It is strongly recommended that the insight and advice      of a competent spiritual director be sought if one is considering assuming      a private vow(s) related to the evangelical counsels.<span> </span>This is to ensure that one is indeed <strong>truly called by God</strong> to make      it(them), that the formula and matter is valid (for example, to vow “joy”      is invalid because joy is not something that can be undertaken at will), that      the scope of the vow is clearly spelled out and understood, etc.</li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Private vows may be dispensed or commuted by the      proper authorities, not by oneself.</li>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">While all Christians are called to follow the      evangelical counsels in a manner befitting their state in life, not all      are called to vow their strict and more radical observance for the sake of      the Kingdom.<span> </span>Hence, it is important      that it is truly God’s will, not an individual’s inclination, that brings      a person to make a vow of chastity.<span> </span>A person should exercise great caution in vowing poverty or      obedience, because how they are actually lived out must be understood in      accordance with tradition and how they are to be lived should be written      out so that boundaries are clearly understood.</li>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">Normally, a person should not make a vow of obedience      to their spiritual director.<span> </span>This      is because the internal and external forums are distinct and should not be      confused, and there is room for grave abuse when the forums are mixed.<span> </span>Nor should an individual ever make a vow      of secrecy or silence (not to criticize their superior or keep the details      of their spiritual life/practices secret).<span> </span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span>A private vow/promise of chastity involves a person dedicating himself to the Lord.  Thus a  lay person who is under private vow/promise is a &#8220;dedicated&#8221; lay person.  A person whose vows are <strong>public </strong>is a member of the &#8220;consecrated state&#8221;, and thus belongs to the state which in itself is neither lay nor clerical but consecrated.  A person whose vows are <strong>semi-public</strong> (members of secular institutes make these vows or promises) is a &#8220;consecrated&#8221; lay person if lay or &#8220;consecrated&#8221; ordained person if ordained, but is <em>not a member of the consecrated state</em> unless he/she is also a member of a religious institute, a diocesan hermit, or a consecrated virgin.  In other words, &#8220;dedicated&#8221; is one making one&#8217;s vows to God unmediated through the Church.  &#8220;Consecrated&#8221; is one whose <strong>vows </strong>are mediated through the Church.</span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">So, if a person, after suitable preparation, formation, testing, discernment, advice, etc. wishes to make a private vow of chastity, then what?<span> </span>Because the decision should not be made lightly, valid formulas will not be listed on this site, but should be sought from a priest, spiritual director, or other expert.</p>
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		<title>Discerning to Death; Tapering One&#8217;s Discernment Towards Its Conclusion</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[by Therese Ivers, JCL Way back in September, I was asked to help with an upcoming retreat for women discerning their vocations and who feel like they&#8217;re beating their heads on the wall &#8220;discerning to death&#8221;.  This topic really resonated with me, and as I continue to prepare for this weekend&#8217;s retreat, I am seeing [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: right;" align="right">by Therese Ivers, JCL</p>
<p>Way back in September, I was asked to help with an upcoming retreat for women discerning their vocations and who feel like they&#8217;re beating their heads on the wall &#8220;discerning to death&#8221;.  This topic really resonated with me, and as I continue to prepare for this weekend&#8217;s retreat, I am seeing more and more how although there is plenty of literature giving pieces of information about the discernment process, there is hardly anything out there that talks about how to bring it to a peaceful conclusion.  The goal of discernment is to figure out God&#8217;s will in one&#8217;s life, most particularly whether God is calling one to assume a lifelong commitment by virtue of ordination, vow, or consecration.  In theory figuring out one&#8217;s vocation sounds pretty straightforward, but plenty of folks agonize over it, and some have never reached a practical conclusion as to whether there is a state in life they should pursue.  How exactly does a person go from the beginning to the middle and then reach the end of vocational discernment?</p>
<p>Vocations and the Fairy Tale</p>
<p>Good fairy tales touch upon the deep desires of human beings.  Some are about wealth as the reward of virtue and valor, a concept that even Our Lord uses in speaking about the reward of eternal life.  Others talk about longevity and an absence from the ordinary woes of life (think immortality and the properties of risen bodies).  The majority, however, are about romantic love in which after trial, the princess and the prince happily live together ever after.  Again, this reflects the eternal betrothal between Christ and His Church&#8230;</p>
<p>Yet, it never ceases to amaze me when I am judging marriage annulment cases and we get someone under oath testifying that they thought that once they got married, everything would turn out great (despite the fact their spouse was abusively beating them daily during their courtship, they were both high on drugs most of the time, that they had two or three children before they decided to get officially hitched&#8230;) simply and solely because getting married in the Church was somehow going to magically make things different!  It gets worse when they blame people in the Church for their failed marriage (why didn&#8217;t the priest stop us?)!  How is it that the fairy tale of living happily ever after gets drummed into people&#8217;s minds when it comes to vocational choices?  I will be forever happy if I marry that person&#8230;  I will automatically be holy if I become a priest&#8230;  As soon as I slip on that habit or religious life emblem, I&#8217;m gonna be floating around in prayer&#8230;  It seems to me that good discernment starts with understanding that fairy tales are just that.  Fairy tales.</p>
<p>The process of discerning a vocation starts with the realization that the process usually takes knowledge, dedication, and work.  Knowledge is necessary to make informed choices.  How much do you as a discerner know about the vocations open to you in the Church?  It takes dedication to following the will of God.  It also takes effort, or work.</p>
<p>One can say that the time of courtship, discernment for the seminary, convent, or other form of consecrated life, is normally a time of mutual discovery.  It takes work, both on the part of the person making the decision to pursue a particular path or narrow it down to a path, and of the person(s) who admit that person into vows (think marriage, religious life, diocesan hermit life, and secular institutes), consecration (consecrated virgins) and ordination (diaconate, priesthood, and episcopacy).  One who is discerning should work not only at improving knowledge about vocations, but self-knowledge so that obstacles and fears may be evaluated and addressed.</p>
<p>The Goal</p>
<p>The final goal of vocational discernment is to make vows, be consecrated or be ordained if this should be the Lord&#8217;s will.  Yet, the immediate goal of the discerner should be to do what it takes to determine which path (if any) to which one seems to have a genuine call and make a decision to pursue it in a prudent fashion.<span> </span>That way, one can peacefully but purposefully pursue a possible call and offer oneself to a concrete person, diocese, order, or institute if one prudently and prayerfully determines they could be a fit.  Of course a person should be &#8220;open&#8221; in that the other person, diocese, order, or institute may determine that it is not their vocation to be united with you in their particular path to holiness.</p>
<p>(c) 2009 by Therese Ivers, JCL and www.DoIHaveAVocation.com.  All rights reserved.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is the vocation to the priesthood objectively higher than that to the married state?<span> </span>How do you know if your vocation is to be a priest, a mother, a sister, or a brother?<span> </span>Versatile paper napkins doubled as writing pads for some who needed to quickly scribble a diagram or note and the rattle of dishes and smell of “dorm food” accompanied the discussion a small group of us students had in the cafeteria on different aspects of vocations to the priesthood and consecrated life.<span> </span>Since this was a college, this was a question worthy of the academic mind and research.<span> </span>It was also a practical question for us as we tried to envision life after graduation from an institution that has an average of at least 10% of its graduates pursuing vocations.<span> </span>We grappled with the idea of different paths in life in twos, threes, or larger groups and shared the fruit of our research with others.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ten years later, I caught sight of one of the students I had had intellectual tussles with on various subjects including that of vocations.<span> </span>Joseph Bolin was walking down the courtyard of my university in Rome, stopping by for a brief visit to the campus.<span> </span>We caught up with the news of our respective lives and then renewed our discussion on the process of vocational discernment.<span> </span>It was refreshing to hear his views on the process, and they had certainly had been polished over the years to the point where I agreed with much of what he had to say on the matter.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Not long after my encounter with Mr. Bolin, he sent me a copy of his work on discerning vocations that he was preparing for publication called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1438228465?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=doihaveavoca-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1438228465">Paths of Love: The Discernment of Vocation According to Aquinas, Ignatius, and Pope John Paul II</a><img style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=doihaveavoca-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1438228465" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" />.<span> </span>I read it and it is a gem of a book.<span> </span>This book synthesizes the thought of St. Ignatius, Pope John Paul II, and St. Thomas Aquinas and their different approaches on vocational discernment and resolves apparent conflicts in the different ways the saints over the centuries have talked about following God’s call in life.<span> </span>At the end, practical advice is given for discerners to consider for their faith journey.<span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Because this is a website dedicated to helping the discerner make an informed choice, from time to time a book, CD, or DVD will be mentioned that we feel could be helpful.<span> </span>In this case, I believe that this book on vocational discernment is a good one to use as a guide for understanding the thought of some of the most influential spiritual leaders on vocations.<span> </span>That being said, it does take careful reading and will give a deeper and richer knowledge of the discernment process if read well.<span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As a work on the different answers St. Ignatius, St. Thomas Aquinas, and John Paul II give to the question on how to know your vocation, this book is a gem.<span> </span>It is not, however, an encyclopedia on vocational discernment.<span> </span>Thus, it focuses mostly on different approaches these people have had towards discernment and so there are other aspects of different vocations that are not covered in this book.<span> </span>In addition, the book has the limitation in that the author restricts himself to speaking about vocations to the priesthood, religious life, and marriage.<span> </span>However, one can expand the notion of “priesthood” to “clerical state” and “religious life” to “consecrated life” as there is a call to the diaconate and other forms of consecrated life.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For those who believe that this book may be helpful to them, I recommend you give it a try.<span> </span>I wrote this unsolicited book review because I felt that this book may be beneficial to some of DoIHaveAVocation.com’s readers as I have personally found few books on discernment that are worth reading.<span> </span>This is one of those books which I find worthwhile although not absolutely essential for the Catholic library, and so I hope some of you will find it useful in your faith journey.<span> </span><span> </span><span> </span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Four very beautiful presentations were given at the congress this day. One was by Archbishop Raymond Burke. Another was by Judith Stegman, another by a French Archbishop and the last by a consecrated virgin from Italy. An update will be given on those talks later. Among the many subjects spoken about within the addresses, two [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='series_toc'><h3>Table of contents for Congress Pilgrimage 2008 Rome</h3><ol><li><a href='http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/98' title='International Congress Pilgrimage of Consecrated Virgins Rome 2008 Day 1'>International Congress Pilgrimage of Consecrated Virgins Rome 2008 Day 1</a></li><li><a href='http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/99' title='International Congress Pilgrimage of Virgins Rome 2008 Part II'>International Congress Pilgrimage of Virgins Rome 2008 Part II</a></li><li>International Congress Pilgrimage of Consecrated Virgins, Rome Day III</li><li><a href='http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/103' title='Consecrated Virgins International Congress Mass Days IV and V'>Consecrated Virgins International Congress Mass Days IV and V</a></li></ol></div> <p>Four very beautiful presentations were given at the congress this day.  One was by Archbishop Raymond Burke.  Another was by Judith Stegman, another by a French Archbishop and the last by a consecrated virgin from Italy.  An update will be given on those talks later.   Among the many subjects spoken about within the addresses, two important facts were touched on.  One was confirmation from Rome that physical virginity outside of the case of rape or incest is absolutely necessary for the consecration.  The other is that only the virgin&#8217;s diocesan bishop can confer the sacramental upon her.  It cannot be given, for example, by the bishop&#8217;s delegate, nor by Abbots, nor anyone else to the virgin living in the world.</p>
<p>Below you can find a quick interview of one of the consecrated virgins present at the congress.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today, the schedule for the congress was quite busy. The day was kicked off with a Mass at St. Peter&#8217;s Basilica celebrated by Cardinal Rode, Prefect of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life. Concelebrating with His Eminence were 8 other (arch)bishops, including Archbishop Burke from St. Louis Missouri. Immediately [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='series_toc'><h3>Table of contents for Congress Pilgrimage 2008 Rome</h3><ol><li><a href='http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/98' title='International Congress Pilgrimage of Consecrated Virgins Rome 2008 Day 1'>International Congress Pilgrimage of Consecrated Virgins Rome 2008 Day 1</a></li><li>International Congress Pilgrimage of Virgins Rome 2008 Part II</li><li><a href='http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/100' title='International Congress Pilgrimage of Consecrated Virgins, Rome Day III'>International Congress Pilgrimage of Consecrated Virgins, Rome Day III</a></li><li><a href='http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/103' title='Consecrated Virgins International Congress Mass Days IV and V'>Consecrated Virgins International Congress Mass Days IV and V</a></li></ol></div> <p>Today, the schedule for the congress was quite busy.  The day was kicked off with a Mass at St. Peter&#8217;s Basilica celebrated by Cardinal Rode, Prefect of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life.  Concelebrating with His Eminence were 8 other (arch)bishops, including Archbishop Burke from St. Louis Missouri.  Immediately after the Mass, the 500 consecrated virgins were received in private audience by His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI.</p>
<p>His Holiness addressed the 500 virgins, cardinal, and bishops, and virgins representing 52 countries from around the world.  Among the virgins attending were some from Iraq, Iran, Tunisia,  the Jordan, and Finland.</p>
<p>Excellent presentations were made by two French speakers, one of them being a great liturgist from France, Rev. Marcel Metzger, and a consecrated virgin from France, Ysabel de Andia.   Another presentation on consecrated virginity was presented by Bishop Demetrio Gonzalez, Bishop of Tarazona (Spain) in Spanish.  Simultaneous translations were made in the major languages of French, Italian, English, Spanish, and German.</p>
<p>Update May 16, 2008:</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to a quick clip on the papal audience:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.h2onews.org/_page_videoview.php?id_news=691">http://www.h2onews.org/_page_videoview.php?id_news=691 </a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today was the first day of the International Congress Pilgrimage of the Consecrated Virgins held in Rome. After registration, almost 500 consecrated virgins from 52 countries gathered for Vespers and Mass celebrated by an Archbishop of France and half a dozen other (arch)bishops and a couple dozen priests. While most of the consecrated virgins are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='series_toc'><h3>Table of contents for Congress Pilgrimage 2008 Rome</h3><ol><li>International Congress Pilgrimage of Consecrated Virgins Rome 2008 Day 1</li><li><a href='http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/99' title='International Congress Pilgrimage of Virgins Rome 2008 Part II'>International Congress Pilgrimage of Virgins Rome 2008 Part II</a></li><li><a href='http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/100' title='International Congress Pilgrimage of Consecrated Virgins, Rome Day III'>International Congress Pilgrimage of Consecrated Virgins, Rome Day III</a></li><li><a href='http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/103' title='Consecrated Virgins International Congress Mass Days IV and V'>Consecrated Virgins International Congress Mass Days IV and V</a></li></ol></div> <p>Today was the first day of the International Congress Pilgrimage of the Consecrated Virgins held in Rome.  After registration, almost 500 consecrated virgins from 52 countries gathered for Vespers and Mass celebrated by an Archbishop of France and half a dozen other (arch)bishops and a couple dozen priests.  While most of the consecrated virgins are those living in the world, also attending were certain religious who have received the consecration at the hands of their bishop.  In addition, some hermitesses who are also consecrated virgins were in attendence.</p>
<p>Archbishop Raymond Burke and a panel of consecrated virgins from Germany, Italy, Spain, the USA, and France presided at the first series of presentations by consecrated virgins on the status of the vocation in their countries of Italy, Austria, Germany, Argentina, Finland, and Hungary.  According to the reports thus far, the median age began fairly high as the Rite was re-instated only 30 years ago after about ten centuries of most disuse.  However, the median age is rapidly dropping.  Many virgins are receiving the consecration now at the average age of 35 years.</p>
<p>Tomorrow, the international pilgrimage congress group of consecrated virgins will be honored by a private audience with Pope Benedict XVI.  More on that later&#8230;  and pictures to follow.</p>
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