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	<title>Comments on: Consecrated Virgins Part I</title>
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		<title>By: Therese Ivers, JCL</title>
		<link>http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/136/comment-page-1#comment-8066</link>
		<dc:creator>Therese Ivers, JCL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meg, your comment counts as #5.  I will put up another post on consecrated virgins very soon.  God bless you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meg, your comment counts as #5.  I will put up another post on consecrated virgins very soon.  God bless you!</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/136/comment-page-1#comment-8065</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, please!  Does it count as 5 comments if you&#039;re two of them?  I hope so, because I&#039;d love to hear what else you have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, please!  Does it count as 5 comments if you&#8217;re two of them?  I hope so, because I&#8217;d love to hear what else you have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Therese Ivers, JCL</title>
		<link>http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/136/comment-page-1#comment-8064</link>
		<dc:creator>Therese Ivers, JCL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comments!  Yes, I also hope that Part II will be written.  Anyone want to help this along by posting a comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comments!  Yes, I also hope that Part II will be written.  Anyone want to help this along by posting a comment?</p>
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		<title>By: elizabethanne</title>
		<link>http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/136/comment-page-1#comment-8063</link>
		<dc:creator>elizabethanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just became aware of this vocation through an internet search.  Two weeks ago while going to confession the priest stated quite boldly that he thought I needed to explore working for the church full time or explora a vocation and made searching that out part of my pennance !!  Feeling kind of sick to my stomach I looked away and thought, &quot;Are you kidding me!&quot;  At the same time I knew he was right. I&#039;d been running from a formal committment all my life. When I read about Consecrated Virgins I thought....HELLO ~ that&#039;s me. That&#039;s exactly what I am and how I&#039;ve been living my life forever. There are two Consecrated Virgins in my diocese which I met within three days of receiving the Sacrament of Reconcilliation.  Things have begun to fall into place.  My priest is not so convinced.  He told me, &quot;Who is this guy to be making these assumptions about you. Your work is a vocation.&quot;  I am a child therapist.  Nevertheless, I intend to obtain a spiritual director and see where it leads. 

I must say in exploring the lives of some Consecrated Virgins on the internet, I do have some concerns about how &quot;concrete&quot; their notion is of being Christ&#039;s bride rather than looking at it as a mystical union.  Some of the stuff out there on u-tube and the like of some of these women is concerning and quite frankly a little creepy.

I very much appreciate the information you provided in Part I of this series and hopefully Part II will soon follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just became aware of this vocation through an internet search.  Two weeks ago while going to confession the priest stated quite boldly that he thought I needed to explore working for the church full time or explora a vocation and made searching that out part of my pennance !!  Feeling kind of sick to my stomach I looked away and thought, &#8220;Are you kidding me!&#8221;  At the same time I knew he was right. I&#8217;d been running from a formal committment all my life. When I read about Consecrated Virgins I thought&#8230;.HELLO ~ that&#8217;s me. That&#8217;s exactly what I am and how I&#8217;ve been living my life forever. There are two Consecrated Virgins in my diocese which I met within three days of receiving the Sacrament of Reconcilliation.  Things have begun to fall into place.  My priest is not so convinced.  He told me, &#8220;Who is this guy to be making these assumptions about you. Your work is a vocation.&#8221;  I am a child therapist.  Nevertheless, I intend to obtain a spiritual director and see where it leads. </p>
<p>I must say in exploring the lives of some Consecrated Virgins on the internet, I do have some concerns about how &#8220;concrete&#8221; their notion is of being Christ&#8217;s bride rather than looking at it as a mystical union.  Some of the stuff out there on u-tube and the like of some of these women is concerning and quite frankly a little creepy.</p>
<p>I very much appreciate the information you provided in Part I of this series and hopefully Part II will soon follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Therese Ivers, JCL</title>
		<link>http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/136/comment-page-1#comment-8043</link>
		<dc:creator>Therese Ivers, JCL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Consecrated Virgin,

Thank you for your observations.

You have many good points and some points I would tend to disagree with as a canon lawyer. I hope a good conversation will be sparked by your comments, with other people joining in.

Anyone willing to join in?  Remember, I want at least 5 respectful comments before I continue this series.  They need not be earth shattering, but can say something as simple as &quot;I appreciate this information.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Consecrated Virgin,</p>
<p>Thank you for your observations.</p>
<p>You have many good points and some points I would tend to disagree with as a canon lawyer. I hope a good conversation will be sparked by your comments, with other people joining in.</p>
<p>Anyone willing to join in?  Remember, I want at least 5 respectful comments before I continue this series.  They need not be earth shattering, but can say something as simple as &#8220;I appreciate this information.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: a newly consecrated virgin</title>
		<link>http://doihaveavocation.com/blog/archives/136/comment-page-1#comment-8042</link>
		<dc:creator>a newly consecrated virgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi—I just became a consecrated virgin last January, and I write the blog “Sponsa Christi.” Since you indicated that you were open to comments, I thought I would share my own view regarding the answer to the third question here.

I do think that adherence to a specific “rule of life” should not be considered a constitutive element in the vocation of consecrated virginity lived in the world, and that in many instances a strict rule would be impractical for a consecrated virgin to follow (though I think some consecrated virgins might find it personally helpful to set down a flexible program in writing with the guidance of a spiritual director). 

But, I respectfully disagree with your description of a consecrated virgin’s relationship to her bishop as being most similar to that of a married woman and the pastor of her parish. Although consecrated virgins do not profess public vows per se, consecrated virginity, even when lived “in the world,” is a still a public state of consecrated life. My thought is that this would necessarily make a consecrated virgin’s relationship to the hierarchy notably different from either a married or single laywoman’s.

Also, canon 604 describes consecrated virgins as being “dedicated to the service of the Church.” And it would seem that serving the Church in any sort of public capacity requires some real form of ecclesial authorization—and if this does not come as the local bishop’s express commission, then at the very least it should be some kind of episcopal permission or approval (even if, de facto, this permission tended to be only tacit or presumed, or granted through a delegate). Because of this, I think that it would be more appropriate for a consecrated virgin to regard her bishop as being similar, albeit not identical, to a religious superior.

And while a consecrated virgin does not make a formal vow of obedience, to me it seems that a special obligation to obey the bishop—i.e., over and beyond that of all the baptized—is strongly implied in the Rite of Consecration. I do think that consecrated virgins are called to take more of the initiative in their respective consecrated lives than are nuns or religious sisters, and I understand that pastoral sensitivity might limit a bishop in what he could legitimately request from a consecrated virgin (e.g., it would be unreasonable to require a consecrated virgin to take on a demanding full-time apostolate without provisions for meeting basic needs and living expenses). Still, I think that the most fitting attitude for a consecrated virgin to have vis-à-vis her bishop is one of a sincere willingness to hold the needs of her diocese in higher priority than her own projects and interests, which I think could be considered a type of practical obedience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi—I just became a consecrated virgin last January, and I write the blog “Sponsa Christi.” Since you indicated that you were open to comments, I thought I would share my own view regarding the answer to the third question here.</p>
<p>I do think that adherence to a specific “rule of life” should not be considered a constitutive element in the vocation of consecrated virginity lived in the world, and that in many instances a strict rule would be impractical for a consecrated virgin to follow (though I think some consecrated virgins might find it personally helpful to set down a flexible program in writing with the guidance of a spiritual director). </p>
<p>But, I respectfully disagree with your description of a consecrated virgin’s relationship to her bishop as being most similar to that of a married woman and the pastor of her parish. Although consecrated virgins do not profess public vows per se, consecrated virginity, even when lived “in the world,” is a still a public state of consecrated life. My thought is that this would necessarily make a consecrated virgin’s relationship to the hierarchy notably different from either a married or single laywoman’s.</p>
<p>Also, canon 604 describes consecrated virgins as being “dedicated to the service of the Church.” And it would seem that serving the Church in any sort of public capacity requires some real form of ecclesial authorization—and if this does not come as the local bishop’s express commission, then at the very least it should be some kind of episcopal permission or approval (even if, de facto, this permission tended to be only tacit or presumed, or granted through a delegate). Because of this, I think that it would be more appropriate for a consecrated virgin to regard her bishop as being similar, albeit not identical, to a religious superior.</p>
<p>And while a consecrated virgin does not make a formal vow of obedience, to me it seems that a special obligation to obey the bishop—i.e., over and beyond that of all the baptized—is strongly implied in the Rite of Consecration. I do think that consecrated virgins are called to take more of the initiative in their respective consecrated lives than are nuns or religious sisters, and I understand that pastoral sensitivity might limit a bishop in what he could legitimately request from a consecrated virgin (e.g., it would be unreasonable to require a consecrated virgin to take on a demanding full-time apostolate without provisions for meeting basic needs and living expenses). Still, I think that the most fitting attitude for a consecrated virgin to have vis-à-vis her bishop is one of a sincere willingness to hold the needs of her diocese in higher priority than her own projects and interests, which I think could be considered a type of practical obedience.</p>
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